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The claim '''''the United States is the oldest democracy''''' is usually made by US nationalists. The argument consists of two points, that the US is a democracy, and that it is the oldest of world democracies. Plolitifact accepts this argument ([http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/jul/11/paul-ryan/paul-ryan-claims-us-oldest-democracy-world-he-righ/ under specific definitions]), but I disagree with both points of the argument. | The claim '''''the United States is the oldest democracy''''' is usually made by US nationalists. The argument consists of two points, that the US is a democracy, and that it is the oldest of world democracies. Plolitifact accepts this argument ([http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/jul/11/paul-ryan/paul-ryan-claims-us-oldest-democracy-world-he-righ/ under specific definitions]), but I disagree with both points of the argument. | ||
− | == | + | ==Oldest In What Way?== |
− | To say that something is the "oldest" | + | To say that something is the "oldest" is an ambiguous term. For example, the "oldest" government could mean: |
− | # The earliest | + | # The earliest government in history. |
− | # The | + | # The government that lasted for the longest length of time in a relatively unchanged state. |
− | # The | + | # The government that is still in existence today in a relatively unchanged state from when it was formed. |
− | Whenever we talk about the lifespan of a | + | Whenever we talk about the lifespan of a government, we have to determine what criteria should be used to decide when the government was formed or replaced. For example, France has existed as a nation in name for over 1,000 years, but in that time its government has been restructured from a monarchy to a representative democracy, so it can't be considered to have a single government. |
+ | |||
+ | When determining the starting and stopping criteria you also have to consider the perspective for individual citizens. For example, in the United States, we see practically no change in governance from the perspective of a land-owning white man from today back to when the country won its independence, but the governance change for black women was so drastically different it could warrant being described as new. | ||
==What Is a Democracy?== | ==What Is a Democracy?== | ||
A [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy democracy] is any form of government that is ruled by its citizens rather than a limited group or individual, but citizen rule is not binary, but rather a spectrum of several metrics. Some of the metrics sociologists look at to measure democracy include: | A [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy democracy] is any form of government that is ruled by its citizens rather than a limited group or individual, but citizen rule is not binary, but rather a spectrum of several metrics. Some of the metrics sociologists look at to measure democracy include: | ||
− | * What percentage of the citizenry | + | * What percentage of the citizenry is be eligible to vote? If only a single race or sex can vote, is it a democracy? |
* How often does the citizenry vote on governmental changes? If elections are only held once every 20 years, is it a democracy? | * How often does the citizenry vote on governmental changes? If elections are only held once every 20 years, is it a democracy? | ||
− | * How direct of access to government modification | + | * How direct of access to government modification does the citizenry have? If your votes can be modified from several layers of representatives, is it a democracy? |
* How evenly are laws enforced among the citizenry? If the upper class is treated with far more leniency, is it a democracy? | * How evenly are laws enforced among the citizenry? If the upper class is treated with far more leniency, is it a democracy? | ||
* What protections are in place to protect minorities? If the majority can eliminate the rights of the minorities, is it a democracy? | * What protections are in place to protect minorities? If the majority can eliminate the rights of the minorities, is it a democracy? | ||
− | There are no agreed upon minimum values for these metrics to determine when a government is a democracy rather than an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy oligarchy]. The simplicity of | + | There are no agreed upon minimum values for these metrics to determine when a government is a democracy rather than an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy oligarchy]. The simplicity of the original claim could be likened to asking, "which is the first nation to have 'freedom?'" which would yield the expected answer, "freedom in what way?" |
==Solution== | ==Solution== | ||
− | Since "oldest" and "democracy" are both fuzzy terms, it would be better to | + | Since "oldest" and "democracy" are both fuzzy terms, it would be better to focus on criteria that are more concrete. Here are a list of some of the attributes found in democracies, and who first implemented them among defunct and extant nations, and when the US did. |
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! First Ever Nation | ! First Ever Nation | ||
! First Extant Nation | ! First Extant Nation | ||
+ | ! US Adoption | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy Direct Democracy] | | [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy Direct Democracy] | ||
| Athens, c. 500 BCE | | Athens, c. 500 BCE | ||
| Switzerland, 1891 | | Switzerland, 1891 | ||
+ | | Never | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy Representative Democracy] | | [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy Representative Democracy] | ||
| Rome, c. 500 BCE | | Rome, c. 500 BCE | ||
| England, 1689 | | England, 1689 | ||
+ | | 1789 | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom Abolition of Slavery] | ||
+ | | Athens c. 500 BCE | ||
+ | | Haiti, 1804 | ||
+ | | 1865 | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage Woman's Suffrage] | ||
+ | | New Zealand, 1893 | ||
+ | | New Zealand, 1893 | ||
+ | | 1920 | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage#Race Ethnic Suffrage] | ||
+ | | Norway, 1821 | ||
+ | | Norway, 1821 | ||
+ | | 1965 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage Universal Suffrage] | | [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage Universal Suffrage] | ||
| New Zealand, 1893 | | New Zealand, 1893 | ||
| New Zealand, 1893 | | New Zealand, 1893 | ||
+ | | 1965 | ||
|} | |} | ||
[[Category: Politics]] | [[Category: Politics]] |
Revision as of 16:45, 21 September 2017
The claim the United States is the oldest democracy is usually made by US nationalists. The argument consists of two points, that the US is a democracy, and that it is the oldest of world democracies. Plolitifact accepts this argument (under specific definitions), but I disagree with both points of the argument.
Oldest In What Way?
To say that something is the "oldest" is an ambiguous term. For example, the "oldest" government could mean:
- The earliest government in history.
- The government that lasted for the longest length of time in a relatively unchanged state.
- The government that is still in existence today in a relatively unchanged state from when it was formed.
Whenever we talk about the lifespan of a government, we have to determine what criteria should be used to decide when the government was formed or replaced. For example, France has existed as a nation in name for over 1,000 years, but in that time its government has been restructured from a monarchy to a representative democracy, so it can't be considered to have a single government.
When determining the starting and stopping criteria you also have to consider the perspective for individual citizens. For example, in the United States, we see practically no change in governance from the perspective of a land-owning white man from today back to when the country won its independence, but the governance change for black women was so drastically different it could warrant being described as new.
What Is a Democracy?
A democracy is any form of government that is ruled by its citizens rather than a limited group or individual, but citizen rule is not binary, but rather a spectrum of several metrics. Some of the metrics sociologists look at to measure democracy include:
- What percentage of the citizenry is be eligible to vote? If only a single race or sex can vote, is it a democracy?
- How often does the citizenry vote on governmental changes? If elections are only held once every 20 years, is it a democracy?
- How direct of access to government modification does the citizenry have? If your votes can be modified from several layers of representatives, is it a democracy?
- How evenly are laws enforced among the citizenry? If the upper class is treated with far more leniency, is it a democracy?
- What protections are in place to protect minorities? If the majority can eliminate the rights of the minorities, is it a democracy?
There are no agreed upon minimum values for these metrics to determine when a government is a democracy rather than an oligarchy. The simplicity of the original claim could be likened to asking, "which is the first nation to have 'freedom?'" which would yield the expected answer, "freedom in what way?"
Solution
Since "oldest" and "democracy" are both fuzzy terms, it would be better to focus on criteria that are more concrete. Here are a list of some of the attributes found in democracies, and who first implemented them among defunct and extant nations, and when the US did.
Metric | First Ever Nation | First Extant Nation | US Adoption |
---|---|---|---|
Direct Democracy | Athens, c. 500 BCE | Switzerland, 1891 | Never |
Representative Democracy | Rome, c. 500 BCE | England, 1689 | 1789 |
Abolition of Slavery | Athens c. 500 BCE | Haiti, 1804 | 1865 |
Woman's Suffrage | New Zealand, 1893 | New Zealand, 1893 | 1920 |
Ethnic Suffrage | Norway, 1821 | Norway, 1821 | 1965 |
Universal Suffrage | New Zealand, 1893 | New Zealand, 1893 | 1965 |