I have a hypothesis that if we were to take biblical stories, rename all of the characters, and then read them to people who never heard of the bible, the people would not be able to figure out who is God and who is Satan. Someday I hope to test my hypothesis.

Genesis, chapter 22 begins with with God tempting Abraham. Now, when most Christians think of tempting, they think of Satan. This is because there are numerous places in the New Testament where Satan tempts Jesus (Matthew 4:1, for example). Yet, as it turns out, this rather unsavory activity is practiced by God as well. In fact, the Lord's Prayer actually contains the line "[God], lead me not into temptation," where you are supposed to beg God not to tempt you! Also, the entire story of Job is based around God giving Satan permission to tempt Job in an attempt to basically have him kill himself.

This all must come as a great shock to God, because in James 1:13 he specifically says that he doesn't tempt anyone! This is an obvious contradiction, but Christians disagree. They claim that when God says he doesn't tempt anyone, what he meant to say was that he doesn't tempt them to do evil. Well, let's just find out if God plans on tempting Abraham with evil, shall we?



Winterset writes:


It all becomes very clear which is which when you take into account the covenent between the god and the devil. They formed a covenent vowing to never interfere with the course of human events. The god, being good, keeps its word and does not interfer. The devil, being evil, breaks the covenent and interfers constantly.

Therefore, the ultimate author of the bible must be the devil.

Ray writes:


I would have trouble telling 2 imaginary beings apart from each other, too!

Bobsbert writes:


OMG, I've done that! I read my friend one of the obscure books later in the Old Testament, replacing God with Satan. They thought it was legit!

Mr-know-it-all writes:


@Bobsbert: That's awesome! Don't you have a text of that log to publish somewhere?

I'd like to point out that the spanish version of the prayer says "Do not let us fall into temptation" ("no nos dejes caer en tentaciĆ³n", google it as you see fit).

And I like one particular interpretation, which I may have posted here earlier already:
In this version, YHWH's light was so bright it would burn the angels into nothingness, hence forcing it to manifest to them only through his dark side. That would be Metatron. Angels in turn are too bright for mortals, so they too send the least shining of their ranks, Gabrielle.
Hence the divine will is manifested ONLY by what LOOKS like pure evil, but you still have to trust its intentions are ultimately good.

You know, I liked it better before I wrote it down.

Chris writes:


Have I mentioned that the story of Eden was the story to break me of my faith when I was seven? I was in Sunday school ( know, I know) and they were explaining the Garden of Eden to me, and thought to myself "wait.... doesn't that mean that Satan is the one responsible for our freewill? Why do we think Satan is so evil when God is the one who is always doing mean things?"

I asked my "teacher" this and she had no answer.... instead she told my mother that she should do a better job of raising me because she was leading me astray....

I never went back to church again.

Bill Hicks comes to mind: "Wouldn't it be nice if once, just once, we could make an informed decision based on facts and logic, rather than lies and scare tactics?"

We are just so afraid of people disagreeing with us. If only the human race was less insecure.

chris writes:


sry double post... but I have to say,

TAG, that sounds eerily similar to a psilocybin mushroom induced epiphany...

TheAlmightyGuru writes:


Chris: That Sunday School encounter sounds awfully familiar. They really hate it when you ask questions.

Demi writes:


Which is why nobody ever tries to convert me again. Cause I actually know enough to ask them the questions that bother them the most and that they can't answer. It's actually quite a pity they no longer come to me, the looks on their faces are priceless.

Samm writes:


My stepmother, who is a lot like Cinderella's Stepmother :) is Mormon, and she tried to make me go to church with her and the kids ONCE. In the Young Adult group, the teacher went on and on about how we were meant to love all, and everything, and everyone, and this would ultimately lead us into the light, and we would become the light, etc., etc., and so without thinking, I blurted out, "So we're supposed to love Satan as well?" The lady went pale and began stuttering, saying "Oh.. N-no, that's-that's not what I meant, I.... I...." (And no, I'm not a Satanist or devil-worshipper or whatever, don't worry. I was just trying to make a point.) Needless to say, I was never welcome back in the church :) . Hypocrites is all I have to say ^^

TheAlmightyGuru writes:


There is a oft-quoted Christian adage, "Love the sinner, hate the sin," as if it's somehow possible to separate people from their behavior.

Samm writes:


Well, I understand that thousands of years ago, before science truly took off and before psychology was discovered, people may have believed that "demons" possessed wrong-doers and caused them to "sin", but you would think that the discovery of psychology and Science in general would knock some sense into people nowadays :P

Techs writes:


Sorry Samm, Sense or common sense isn't common. Creationists and others tried for years to use lack of data in science against science. Science has fillled in most of the gaps they used and now they have stopped trying to prove their beliefs or disprove science and have gone to total denial. Science is now just wrong and no need to say why.

whoever writes:


It's easy, Satan is the one who doesn't murder people.


Oh the irony!